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<feed xml:lang="en-us" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><title>Simon Willison's Weblog: hixie</title><link href="http://simonwillison.net/" rel="alternate"/><link href="http://simonwillison.net/tags/hixie.atom" rel="self"/><id>http://simonwillison.net/</id><updated>2010-02-15T19:38:29+00:00</updated><author><name>Simon Willison</name></author><entry><title>Quoting Ian Hickson</title><link href="https://simonwillison.net/2010/Feb/15/hixie/#atom-tag" rel="alternate"/><published>2010-02-15T19:38:29+00:00</published><updated>2010-02-15T19:38:29+00:00</updated><id>https://simonwillison.net/2010/Feb/15/hixie/#atom-tag</id><summary type="html">
    &lt;blockquote cite="http://www.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/b19ob/adobe_now_holding_up_publication_of_the_html5/c0kgxub"&gt;&lt;p&gt;At this point all I could honestly tell you from the point of view of the editor of several of the HTML5 documents being held up is that the W3C have said they're won't publish without the objections being resolved, and that the objection is from Adobe. I can't even tell what I could do to resolve the objection. It seems to be entirely a process-based objection.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p class="cite"&gt;&amp;mdash; &lt;a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/b19ob/adobe_now_holding_up_publication_of_the_html5/c0kgxub"&gt;Ian Hickson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

    &lt;p&gt;Tags: &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/adobe"&gt;adobe&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/canvas"&gt;canvas&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/hixie"&gt;hixie&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/html5"&gt;html5&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/ian-hickson"&gt;ian-hickson&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/process"&gt;process&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/w3c"&gt;w3c&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;



</summary><category term="adobe"/><category term="canvas"/><category term="hixie"/><category term="html5"/><category term="ian-hickson"/><category term="process"/><category term="w3c"/></entry><entry><title>Quoting Ian Hickson</title><link href="https://simonwillison.net/2009/Apr/14/rev/#atom-tag" rel="alternate"/><published>2009-04-14T16:34:42+00:00</published><updated>2009-04-14T16:34:42+00:00</updated><id>https://simonwillison.net/2009/Apr/14/rev/#atom-tag</id><summary type="html">
    &lt;blockquote cite="http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-November/017292.html"&gt;&lt;p&gt;We did some studies and found that the attribute was almost never used, and most of the time, when it was used, it was a typo where someone meant to write rel="" but wrote rev="". To be precise, the most commonly used value was rev="made", which is equivalent to rel="author" and thus was not a convincing use case. The second most common value was rev="stylesheet", which is meaningless and obviously meant to be rel="stylesheet".&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p class="cite"&gt;&amp;mdash; &lt;a href="http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-November/017292.html"&gt;Ian Hickson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

    &lt;p&gt;Tags: &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/hixie"&gt;hixie&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/html5"&gt;html5&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/ian-hickson"&gt;ian-hickson&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/markup"&gt;markup&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/rev"&gt;rev&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/revcanonical"&gt;revcanonical&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;



</summary><category term="hixie"/><category term="html5"/><category term="ian-hickson"/><category term="markup"/><category term="rev"/><category term="revcanonical"/></entry><entry><title>James Bennett: Why HTML</title><link href="https://simonwillison.net/2008/Jun/18/html/#atom-tag" rel="alternate"/><published>2008-06-18T12:27:09+00:00</published><updated>2008-06-18T12:27:09+00:00</updated><id>https://simonwillison.net/2008/Jun/18/html/#atom-tag</id><summary type="html">
    
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.b-list.org/weblog/2008/jun/18/html/"&gt;James Bennett: Why HTML&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
Finally, somewhere to point people when they ask why I avoid XHTML that’s a bit more up to date than Hixie’s rant from 2002.


    &lt;p&gt;Tags: &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/hixie"&gt;hixie&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/html"&gt;html&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/ian-hickson"&gt;ian-hickson&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/james-bennett"&gt;james-bennett&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/web-standards"&gt;web-standards&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/xhtml"&gt;xhtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;



</summary><category term="hixie"/><category term="html"/><category term="ian-hickson"/><category term="james-bennett"/><category term="web-standards"/><category term="xhtml"/></entry><entry><title>Quoting Ian Hickson</title><link href="https://simonwillison.net/2008/Jan/23/hixies/#atom-tag" rel="alternate"/><published>2008-01-23T10:07:40+00:00</published><updated>2008-01-23T10:07:40+00:00</updated><id>https://simonwillison.net/2008/Jan/23/hixies/#atom-tag</id><summary type="html">
    &lt;blockquote cite="http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1201080691&amp;amp;count=1"&gt;&lt;p&gt;If Web authors actually use this feature, and if IE doesn't keep losing market share, then eventually this will cause serious problems for IE's competitors — instead of just having to contend with reverse-engineering IE's quirks mode and making the specs compatible with IE's standards mode, the other browser vendors are going to have to reverse engineer every major IE browser version, and end up implementing these same bug modes themselves.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p class="cite"&gt;&amp;mdash; &lt;a href="http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1201080691&amp;amp;count=1"&gt;Ian Hickson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

    &lt;p&gt;Tags: &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/browsers"&gt;browsers&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/hixie"&gt;hixie&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/ian-hickson"&gt;ian-hickson&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/ie8"&gt;ie8&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/internet-explorer"&gt;internet-explorer&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/web-standards"&gt;web-standards&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/xuacompatible"&gt;xuacompatible&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;



</summary><category term="browsers"/><category term="hixie"/><category term="ian-hickson"/><category term="ie8"/><category term="internet-explorer"/><category term="web-standards"/><category term="xuacompatible"/></entry><entry><title>Quoting Ian Hickson</title><link href="https://simonwillison.net/2007/Sep/4/hixies/#atom-tag" rel="alternate"/><published>2007-09-04T12:27:33+00:00</published><updated>2007-09-04T12:27:33+00:00</updated><id>https://simonwillison.net/2007/Sep/4/hixies/#atom-tag</id><summary type="html">
    &lt;blockquote cite="http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1188895731&amp;amp;count=1"&gt;&lt;p&gt;I've actually been using the latest version of JAWS recently, as part of my work on HTML5. From a usability point of view it is possibly the worst software I have ever used. I'm still horrified at how bad the accessibility situation is. All this time I've been hearing people worried about whether or not Web pages have longdesc attributes specified or whatnot, when in fact the biggest problems facing blind users are so much more fundamental as to make image-related issues seem almost trivial in comparison.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p class="cite"&gt;&amp;mdash; &lt;a href="http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1188895731&amp;amp;count=1"&gt;Ian Hickson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

    &lt;p&gt;Tags: &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/accessibility"&gt;accessibility&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/hixie"&gt;hixie&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/ian-hickson"&gt;ian-hickson&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/jaws"&gt;jaws&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/screen-readers"&gt;screen-readers&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/usability"&gt;usability&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;



</summary><category term="accessibility"/><category term="hixie"/><category term="ian-hickson"/><category term="jaws"/><category term="screen-readers"/><category term="usability"/></entry><entry><title>The CSS working group is irrelevant</title><link href="https://simonwillison.net/2007/Jun/6/hixie/#atom-tag" rel="alternate"/><published>2007-06-06T10:10:13+00:00</published><updated>2007-06-06T10:10:13+00:00</updated><id>https://simonwillison.net/2007/Jun/6/hixie/#atom-tag</id><summary type="html">
    
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1181118077&amp;amp;count=1"&gt;The CSS working group is irrelevant&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
“Someone really needs to do to CSS what the WHATWG has been doing to HTML”.


    &lt;p&gt;Tags: &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/css"&gt;css&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/hixie"&gt;hixie&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/ian-hickson"&gt;ian-hickson&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/stardands"&gt;stardands&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/w3c"&gt;w3c&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/whatwg"&gt;whatwg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;



</summary><category term="css"/><category term="hixie"/><category term="ian-hickson"/><category term="stardands"/><category term="w3c"/><category term="whatwg"/></entry><entry><title>Pingback and Trackback</title><link href="https://simonwillison.net/2002/Sep/30/pingbackAndTrackback/#atom-tag" rel="alternate"/><published>2002-09-30T13:16:54+00:00</published><updated>2002-09-30T13:16:54+00:00</updated><id>https://simonwillison.net/2002/Sep/30/pingbackAndTrackback/#atom-tag</id><summary type="html">
    &lt;p&gt;Hixie has written &lt;a href="http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1033171507&amp;amp;count=1" title="Whitepaper: Pingback vs Trackback"&gt;a whitepaper&lt;/a&gt; comparing Pingback to Trackback, and answering pretty much every question that has been asked about Pingback in the past week.&lt;/p&gt;
    
        &lt;p&gt;Tags: &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/hixie"&gt;hixie&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/pingback"&gt;pingback&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/trackback"&gt;trackback&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
    

</summary><category term="hixie"/><category term="pingback"/><category term="trackback"/></entry><entry><title>Pingback coverage</title><link href="https://simonwillison.net/2002/Sep/25/pingbackCoverage/#atom-tag" rel="alternate"/><published>2002-09-25T12:54:44+00:00</published><updated>2002-09-25T12:54:44+00:00</updated><id>https://simonwillison.net/2002/Sep/25/pingbackCoverage/#atom-tag</id><summary type="html">
    &lt;p&gt;The Pingback 1.0 specification is getting some serious attention. &lt;a href="http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/09/23.html#now_heavily_medicated" title="Now heavily medicated"&gt;Mark Pilgrim&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backissues/2002/09/24#When:8:14:24PM" title="Form opinion"&gt;Dave Winer&lt;/a&gt; have linked to it. Ben Trott (co-author of Moveable Type and creator of TrackBack, the system that inspired Pingback) has &lt;a href="http://www.stupidfool.org/archives/2002/09/000211.shtml" title="Pingback"&gt;objected&lt;/a&gt; to Hixie's &lt;a href="http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1032794857&amp;amp;count=1" title="Pingback 1.0"&gt;suggestion&lt;/a&gt; that Pingback is more transparent than TrackBack, claiming that TrackBack could be made just as transparent by the right blog tools. Ben &lt;a href="http://www.stupidfool.org/archives/2002/09/000212.shtml" title="More on PingBack and Transparency"&gt;blogged&lt;/a&gt; some further thoughts which lead to the following comment by Phil Ringnalda:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite="http://www.stupidfool.org/archives/2002/09/000212.shtml"&gt;&lt;p&gt;I've avoided saying anything about PingBack until now, since I like and respect the people who've developed it, but it is *not* TrackBack. When you send a TrackBack ping, you are saying "I responded to this, and I think that your readers would also like to read what I said." You are leaving a remote comment. When you send a PingBack ping, you are saying "I linked to you", nothing more. It's a "show referrers" script that filters out non-weblog referrers, a way to avoid having to click your own links to be sure you send a referrer. It is *not* TrackBack.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is an interesting perspective, but I can't agree with it completely. Firstly, Pingbacks are meant to be sent by blogging tools. If you have blogged a link to someone else's entry you are linking to them for a purpose (which is almost certainly some form of comment on their entry) - this is why my Pingback implementation grabs an extract of their page from the text surrounding the link.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;michel v has some &lt;a href="http://tidakada.com/archives/p/1876/more/1"&gt;further thoughts&lt;/a&gt; on the differences between Pingback and TrackBack.&lt;/p&gt;
    
        &lt;p&gt;Tags: &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/ben-trott"&gt;ben-trott&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/dave-winer"&gt;dave-winer&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/hixie"&gt;hixie&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/mark-pilgrim"&gt;mark-pilgrim&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/phil-ringnalda"&gt;phil-ringnalda&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/pingback"&gt;pingback&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
    

</summary><category term="ben-trott"/><category term="dave-winer"/><category term="hixie"/><category term="mark-pilgrim"/><category term="phil-ringnalda"/><category term="pingback"/></entry><entry><title>Pingback 1.0</title><link href="https://simonwillison.net/2002/Sep/24/pingback10/#atom-tag" rel="alternate"/><published>2002-09-24T14:04:50+00:00</published><updated>2002-09-24T14:04:50+00:00</updated><id>https://simonwillison.net/2002/Sep/24/pingback10/#atom-tag</id><summary type="html">
    &lt;p&gt;Hixie has &lt;a href="http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1032794857&amp;amp;count=1" title="Pingback 1.0"&gt;published&lt;/a&gt; the &lt;a href="http://www.hixie.ch/specs/pingback/pingback-1.0" title="Pingback 1.0 Specification"&gt;specification for Pingback 1.0&lt;/a&gt;. In general the specification is an excellent document, but I'm not entirely happy with the following statement:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote cite="http://www.hixie.ch/specs/pingback/pingback-1.0"&gt;&lt;p&gt;
HTML and XHTML documents MAY include a &amp;lt;link&amp;gt; element in addition to an HTTP header, although this is discouraged.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some Pingback clients (in particular bookmarklets, although to my knowledge none have been written yet) are expected to be unable to parse headers - which is the primary reason for including the link element method of auto discovery. I would therefore suggest that anyone wishing to pingback-enable their HTML or XHTML documents should include a Pingback link element in addition to the HTTP header.&lt;/p&gt;
    
        &lt;p&gt;Tags: &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/hixie"&gt;hixie&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/pingback"&gt;pingback&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/specification"&gt;specification&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
    

</summary><category term="hixie"/><category term="pingback"/><category term="specification"/></entry><entry><title>Testing Pingback client</title><link href="https://simonwillison.net/2002/Sep/11/testingPingbackClient/#atom-tag" rel="alternate"/><published>2002-09-11T01:17:33+00:00</published><updated>2002-09-11T01:17:33+00:00</updated><id>https://simonwillison.net/2002/Sep/11/testingPingbackClient/#atom-tag</id><summary type="html">
    &lt;p&gt;This post exists partly to list the blogs I know of that support PingBack, but mostly to help test my new PingBack client implementation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1031465247&amp;amp;count=1"&gt;Hixie welcomes feedback&lt;/a&gt; on his text/html document.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.aquarionics.com/index.php?id=700"&gt;Aquarion links to the above.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.kryogenix.org/days/000257.cas"&gt;Stuart is having problems&lt;/a&gt; getting Mozilla gestures to work on Linux.&lt;/li&gt;

&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://mort.mine.nu:8080/b2/index.php?m=200209#80220626"&gt;Mort&lt;/a&gt; has a b2 PingBack client.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://tidakada.com/archives/m/200209#testing_pingback"&gt;Michel&lt;/a&gt; tries it out.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fingers crossed... here goes!&lt;/p&gt;
    
        &lt;p&gt;Tags: &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/aquarion"&gt;aquarion&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/hixie"&gt;hixie&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/pingback"&gt;pingback&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/stuart-langridge"&gt;stuart-langridge&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
    

</summary><category term="aquarion"/><category term="hixie"/><category term="pingback"/><category term="stuart-langridge"/></entry><entry><title>Pingback spec</title><link href="https://simonwillison.net/2002/Sep/10/pingbackSpec/#atom-tag" rel="alternate"/><published>2002-09-10T20:44:18+00:00</published><updated>2002-09-10T20:44:18+00:00</updated><id>https://simonwillison.net/2002/Sep/10/pingbackSpec/#atom-tag</id><summary type="html">
    &lt;p&gt;I just realised I haven't linked to the &lt;a href="http://www.hixie.ch/specs/pingback/pingback"&gt;Pingback specification&lt;/a&gt; yet, so here it is. The spec has been carefully assembled by Ian Hickson and, although it is still a working draught, should be the first stop for anyone who wishes to create a Pingback implementation.&lt;/p&gt;
    
        &lt;p&gt;Tags: &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/hixie"&gt;hixie&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/pingback"&gt;pingback&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://simonwillison.net/tags/specification"&gt;specification&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
    

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